I Won’t Want To Hear Any Complaints

There’s been a lot of “buzz” coming out of Congress in the past few weeks, particularly as the Republicans start rolling out various Tea Party ideas for cutting the budget.  Included in that are Medicare and Social Security.  Yes, the primary advocate for doing away with those programs – privatizing them – is Representative Paul Ryan, who interestingly enough, is also one of their lead budget negotiators.   You see, he wants to substitute vouchers for the current Medicare payment system. You’ll be given a set amount to go out and buy health insurance.  Anyone who’s ever priced health insurance in the past few years is going to tell seniors that their chances of getting insurance that provides equivalent coverage at the voucher price are – slim.

At the same time, they’re making noises about shutting down the federal government, by failing to raise the debt limit.   Which would have some … interesting …  repercussions.  I saw an analysis which said that it wouldn’t necessarily cause a collapse in the financial markets, at least as it pertains to interest payments on US debt.   Matter of fact, there are Republicans in Congress who are introducing legislation to make sure that external bondholders get paid.   Particularly foreign governments like China.  It would, however, immediately freeze all payments to states, shut down most government services, stop Social Security and Medicare payments, along with any number of other things the government does.    The states and the people that are going to take the hardest hit?  It’s the states and people that voted for these people.  That’s right, the Republican’s  strongest “base” are the elderly and the “conservative” states  which have the highest level of dependence on federal spending.   When the reality of what those cuts or a sudden freeze means hits them, they’ll be the ones screaming the loudest about it.

I’ve run out of patience with them.  Here’s my stance:  If (and I hope it doesn’t) those things happen, the people who voted for these Republicans  will have no reason to complain.  Period.  I won’t want to hear it.   They’ll be getting exactly what they voted for.   If someone stayed home because there was “no difference” between the parties,  because they wanted to “make a point,” or they were sure “it doesn’t matter,”  then  they will have no reason to complain either.    For whatever the reason, if they didn’t bother to vote, then they gave up their right to complain about what the politicians do.

The only people I feel sorry for are the ones who realized this, and voted against these people in the primaries and the general election.  They have every right to complain.  They told you what they wanted to do.  If you didn’t  believe them,  or thought that it wouldn’t affect you, that’s your problem.  If you voted for them -  or didn’t vote – you’ll be getting exactly what you asked for.  So if it happens, shut up and take it.

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  1. majii

    My sentiments exactly! I always tell people I run into who say that they don’t vote not to say a word when something the republicans do ends up hurting them in a personal way. I know lots of people who say it doesn’t matter, and some of them receive Medicaid and Medicare in addition to EBT cards for food and clothing. Sometimes, Norbrook, the only way to get some folks’ attention is to have something happen that affects them personally. Well, the folks I know who receive some form of government assistance will be making plenty of noise when they look for their monthly stipends and they haven’t been deposited into their accounts. My family and I always vote. It’s some of the people who benefit most (or could) by having democrats in charge who lose the most by not showing up at the polls.

    • What struck me about the Republican’s taking over the House was looking at the voter breakdowns. What happened was that there was a much higher than usual percentage of older voters turning out, as well as a decreased level in younger voters. At the same time overall voter turnout was down expected in a mid-term. In short, the very people who are going to be hurt the most by the Republican plans to “slash government spending” are either the people who voted for them or the people who didn’t vote.

      I think a lot of the Tea Party supported officials – particularly at the state level – will get a cold dash of reality if it happens. There’s a lot of federal money which they depend on to balance their budgets, and to fund their services, and if that comes to a stop, or gets slashed, they’re going to be scrambling. That’s not to mention the cascading effects on private businesses and employment.

      It’s only been a month, and this is already causing some “buyer’s remorse” in the Congressional district next to mine – the Tea Party supported favorite has come out in favor privatizing Medicare, and given the high percentage of elderly in his district, there’s a lot of “WTF?” going on.

  2. I’ve run out of patience with them.

    Me too.

    I can’t ever be in favor of those who are least able to survive a cut-off of services to have their services cut off but people have such short memories. The government shutdown of 1995 will look like a day at the beach compared to what defaulting on our nation’s debt will do.

    And it should come as no surprise that Pat Toomey (R-Corporate) would be leading the charge to make sure that foreign bondholders would be paid before grandma.

    A short shutdown with some big neon arrows pointing at who caused it would do wonders for our representative democracy.

    • As has been pointed out elsewhere, even that wouldn’t really prevent a “default” on various government bonds. For example, Social Security holds government bonds, a special category known as “demand bonds.” In other words, when Social Security presents these bonds, the government is supposed to redeem them on the spot. It’s how Social Security pays out its benefits – it invest the incoming income in these bonds, and cashes them out to meet its payments. What the Republicans are doing would be putting the Government into default on these bonds, since they’d move from “first paid” to “back of the line.”

      “his idea is unworkable,” said Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin in a statement. “It would not actually prevent default, since it would seek to protect only principal and interest payments, and not other legal obligations of the U.S., from non-payment. Adopting a policy that payments to investors should take precedence over other U.S. legal obligations would merely be default by another name, since the world would recognize it as a failure by the U.S. to stand behind its commitments.”

      Things like the money states get to fund Medicaid, education, roads, etc. All those funds that were in the passed budget would be frozen – i.e.; defaulted on. The cascade of problems down the line – including the impact on businesses – would be remarkably bad.

  3. Aquagranny911

    Excellent diary and you so nailed it!

    I am already hearing the whining from people I know who voted for the Repugnants here in AZ. Our incompajerks are fiddling for the nuts, with “birther bills” more gun stupidity and “I don’t have a clue why I am here” idiot stuff while AZ burns in deficit and the people suffer.

    My attitude is “Hard Cheese You voted for these people or didn’t bother to vote.” The sad thing is we all have to suffer for the next two years until we can “turn these rascals out!”

    Except there is movement a foot here for some grass roots recall of both our Gov and a few others. I am so on that! All we need is 400,000+ sigs to call for a new vote. Buyers remorse may just do the job. Even the mummies in Sun Cites like to have their trash collected, street lights on, clean water in their taps, and know that the EMTs will be there when they have the “Big One.”

    Sorry for the rant but I just get so angry when people vote against themselves or can’t even be bother about all of us to vote at all.

    • I also have a lot of anger about the frustrati. They were the ones making all the noise about “not being taken for granted” and how Republicans winning would be “good” for the Democratic Party. The damage to their agenda is already starting – I see efforts to redefine “rape,” roll back LGBT rights, and gutting any number of programs. Even if the Democratic Party does take back Congress in 2012, it’s going to take several years to undo all the damage. Oh, and it doesn’t look like the party is shifting drastically to the Left, either. Idiots!

      • majii

        You and I are on the same page where the PL and frustrati are concerned, Norbrook. When I hear or read anything they have to say, I get a bad taste in my mouth. I may be wrong, but I place some of the blame for the lower voter turnout in November 2010 on them, and their constant drumbeat of “Obama is a Failure, We’re Dissatisfied with the Democrats in Congress,” which was picked up and amplified by the right. I knew the dems were in trouble when some members on the right became bold enough to show up on DK, post diaries, and make anti-Obama comments and find members there who agreed with them.

        The PL and frustrati have been wrong on EVERY subject. They revel in doom and gloom just like many on the right. I’m not suffering one bit in this economic downturn. I’ll be okay however things turn out. I didn’t have to work to get HCR or anything else passed. I did it because it was the right thing to do. The PL and frustrati throw a pall over everything they touch. I really don’t think there would have been such a big push to repeal the ACA had the PL and frustrati kept their hatred of the individual mandate as only a matter of a difference of opinion within a political party. That wasn’t good enough for them. They just had to use the individual mandate to clobber the dems and President Obama as being traitors to the democratic cause. By doing this, they gave ideas to the right to challenge the law on the basis of a feature that the right had created and endorsed in the first place. With friends like the PL and frustrati, there’s no need for us to look for enemies outside of the party.

        As for those people who didn’t vote and are just waking up, you’re absolutely right when you say that should the dems retake Congress in 2012, it’ll take years to undo the damage the republicans will do over the next 2 years. Americans, especially democrats, have to learn that they must vote in every election to prevent those who don’t know how to govern from getting elected to office, or else, they’ll have to suffer the consequences. After watching the republicans in action for almost 40 years, I can definitely say that there are always negative consequences for the people when they are in power.

  4. I Love OCD

    I’m with both/all of you. I’m still so pissy about all that shit I can’t stop myself from kicking ass every time I read anything similar from the Chai Tea Partiers. It all comes down to something obnoxiously simple (today, in my head): they wanted Bush Blue – swaggering “tough” guy with no respect for our system of government.

    If it’s wrong for a Republican administration to interfere in the internal affairs of another country, how can it possibly be right if that administration is Democratic? Cognitive dissonance anyone? No thanks, I’ve already got some!

    • Exactly. It showed up every time they got disappointed – they wanted Obama to come out pound the podium, rant for a while, say “tough” things, and (somehow) force the Democrats in Congress to march lockstep. Which of course, was never going to happen.

      What we can do in Egypt is exactly what we are doing. Offer encouragement, keep an eye on the situation, and generally stay out of it. One of the things I saw was this article which states:

      Governor Palin needs to speak out publicly and forcibly for an American-led invasion to protect our interests in North Africa. As the largest recipient of foreign aid next to Israel, the United States has a tremendous investment in keeping Egypt stable and relatively terrorist-free. There are many sympathizers on the ground who have not been able to express their allegiance to democracy and freedom for fear of repression by the rioters. The Governor could become the center of their rallying cries. Upon her direction, other Western nations are sure to join us.

      Actually, it’s a satirical site, but it did snare Rachel Maddow. :lol: Which demonstrates Poe’s Law quite nicely, and I’m sure there are some on both sides of the spectrum who think an invasion or military action is just the ticket. :roll:

  5. dannie22

    I for one, do not feel sorry for those who voted repub and will suffer. I live in Ohio. The new governor, John Kasich, is a machiavellian, racist, corporate dirty dog and he’s gonna gut this state. The folks who voted for him are the ones who need the government the most. But I refuse to feel sorry for any of them.

  6. J Brunner fan

    Actually, the reason that there is Medicare has to do with elderly people not being able to afford health insurance at the time. Don’t see how the field has changed other than health insurance companies want to rob our parents in addition to everyone else. Vouchers is just another way to squeeze the elderly and make evil insurance companies more money (in the magical free market that really doesn’t exist). Excellent post!

    • I’m always surprised – I shouldn’t be, but I am – that people don’t realize exactly how Medicare and Social Security are funded. They all regard it (wrongly) as something they paid for, as if it’s a pre-paid plan. I know what I’d pay as a fairly healthy adult for the health plan I have now, if I didn’t have employer benefits. I don’t think it’d be any less – and probably much more – as I get older, even if I remain healthy. It’s a standard cost/risk assessment. To say “Oh, we’ll give you X dollars to buy your own insurance!” just means that you’ll get lesser insurance, and be more out of pocket. But the insurance companies will get a nice pay day.